Picking up Girls in Malls in the Philippines

Abreeza mall, Davao

A reader asked on my last post if I could get more in depth on my strategy for picking up girls in malls in the Philippines – or basically handing out my number and scurrying off.

I read about this strategy on a forum many years ago.  Some guys they claimed they walked around Cebu and handed their number (just their number, no cute message) to girls and that EVERY girl texted them, and they hooked up with many of them shortly after.

IMO that was complete BS.  When I tried handing just my number with nothing else on the paper to girls I got texts 5% of the time.  Yet these studs got 100%….. sure thing.

Also it usually takes quite awhile to actually meet these girls.

Those guys were just on a short vacation, I highly doubt they got lots of girls to insta-bang like that, in my experience that’s not how it works.

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Ayala Mall, Cebu

Different Styles

Meeting girls in Asia is super easy and you can take many different approaches to doing so.  I was reading on my bro’s Vietnam blog post where he mentioned he also hands out numbers.

He does it differently and only gives it to girls he has had a good conversation with.  I am sure he has a MUCH higher rate of bang per number handed out than I do when doing it this way.

He mentions he likes to become a regular at a coffee shop or restaurant that has a cute girl working there, chat her up, and eventually give her his number.  There is nothing wrong with that style, it’s just not my preferred way.

To me that is putting a lot of time and effort into one girl….. one girl that may be a virgin and afraid to meet a guy.  One girl that may have a husband or serious boyfriend that she really won’t cheat on, or one girl that just likes to tease.

I prefer to go the other route and just flood whatever city I am in with numbers.

If I see a 7 or better and I have the chance to approach I am doing it.  There have been months where I have handed out as many as 200 numbers.

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Possible 7.5/10 at Ayala mall

By my rough estimates I only end up banging 3% of the girls I give my number and walk off without a conversation.  That is not many.

But a lot of that has to do with how I proceed once I have given them my number. I don’t take them out to dinner or dancing or for drinks.  I only hang out with the ones that will have the first date at my place.

I have also made it clear that I am just looking for friends nothing serious, and make sure they aren’t hookers. So basically what I am doing is casting a very wide net and trying to come in contact with as many girls as I can that are curious about hooking up with a foreigner.

There are many girls like this in Asia, and not many foreigners.  The more you come in contact with the more you will find.

Everyone’s different and if you want to try this you can tweak it to what fits you best.  Maybe you prefer targeting a few really hot ones and putting in a time investment on them.  Both work. When you’re lazy to go out see who’s online on FilipinoCupid, AsianDating or Pinalove:

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Picking up Girls in Malls in the Philippines – Pro Tips

The first thing you need to do is come up with some creative thing to write on the paper that will make the girl smile when she reads it.

You can try around with a few different things and settle on the one that seems to be getting the best results. For one week try one thing, and the next week try another and use the one that got the most text backs in a week.

Sorry I can not share exactly what I have written….. I have already handed it out 1,000 times and we don’t need thousands more of the same message floating around.

So now you want to write up a lot of these.  I generally carry around at least 8, though there have been days where I have handed out double digits.  I think my record is 12. Head to the busiest upscale mall in whatever city you are in.

Where to Meet Filipinas

In Manila I would recommend walking around the Greenbelt mall area, or one of the big SM malls.

In Cebu Ayala and SM are definitely the two prime ones.  For some reason I have much more success in the nicer malls than the cheaper ones. I think it’s an equal combination of A) girls with more money have load to text and B) girls with more money have more confidence.

To me the biggest key is always staying on the move.  I have read lots of guys on sexpat boards like PI Addicts who say they go places looking for girls (admittedly they are mostly talking about hookers) and they will take a seat and watch the girls go by. For my strat this doesn’t work.

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Explaining my strat on the TwoPlusTwo forums

You’ll be covering a lot of ground, and more importantly you need to be ready to pounce when an approach spot opens up.

Most malls will have higher traffic areas than other spots.  Your goal is to find as many hot girls as you can, so the higher traffic areas are where you need to be.

Just casually stroll around until you see a hot girl and then walk behind her until you get a good approach spot.  That doesn’t mean a perfect approach spot, just a good one.

Good Approach Spots

The less eyes on you the better.  The more people that she feels are watching her during this the less chance you will have of her accepting your number, or texting you if she does accept it.

Your goal is to have no one but you and her know that it happened, but if you waited for only spots like that then you would rarely be handing out numbers. Just follow her from the busy part of the mall to a less trafficked side walk way.

Then when no one else is walking towards you from the other direction go up and make your approach. I prefer no one to be walking to close behind us as well, but she will be unlikely to look behind her… so how ever much awkwardness you can put up with from strangers is up to you.

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On the prowl

If she goes into a store I will be unlikely to go do it inside the store because there are so many workers inside the stores here and they will be trained to instantly greet and help any customer.

I’ve had some awkward spots handing out numbers in stores like I talked about in the where to meet Filipinas post. And sometimes girls call out as I’m walking off ‘WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS?!’ and everyone looks over 😀

But certain times inside a store can be a great private place.  Every situation is different. I prefer the girl to be alone, but if she is out with her girlfriends I will go ahead and do it even though I kind of hate it.

This is more about bad memories of approaching girls in groups in the western world… it’s really not a big deal here.

My Rules I Almost Never Break

There are certain rules for this that I only break on the rarest of occasions.  If a girl is walking with what appears to be her mom then of course I won’t approach.

It really isn’t that uncommon for a 21 year old to go to the mall with her mom in the Phils, though I doubt you see it often in the western world. Same goes for a grandma.

If there are any guys with her, or in the group then I won’t approach.  I would be able to make an exception if it was like 2 girls and 1 guy and the guy was CLEARLY with the other girl.

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Awkward approach spot at the Waterfront Hotel lobby

Even then the one I was approaching would have to be pretty special.  I just find it awkward to do this with a guy standing two feet away. If it’s a milf with her kid then I am probably not going to approach.  This is a little more breakable than the above rules, but it’s still pretty set in stone.

If the girl is hot enough then I may spend some time following them for a bit and hoping that she breaks off long enough for me to quickly slip in when the cockblockers aren’t around. She will need to be at least an 8 for that though.  And sadly 8s are really hard to find here.

There are some other obvious times not to do it.  Like if a big group is standing around in a circle you don’t wanna go barge in and hand it to a sexy Pinay.

picking up girls in malls in the philippinesOr if she is eating dinner with a big group, that would just be awkward. Though I have gone up to a few Filipina women eating at Jolibee or McDonalds and given my number to one on a few occasions.

Actual Approach Strategy

So now you have targeted a sexy Pinay and have waited for a good approach spot…… what comes next?

Just quickly walk up to her, SMILE,  and tell her you noticed her back there and she was so cute that you had to make this for her.

Then hand her the little piece of paper. 95% of the time one of three things will happen.  She will either silently grab it, ask you what it is, or say no thanks. If she grabs it say thanks you have a nice day and scurry away.

Sometimes I like to look back in a half laugh/smile, because they generally will look back also. If she asks what it is tell her it’s just a surprise.

Then stick it closer to her hand and she will usually take it, and again say thanks have a nice day and scurry off.

If she says no thanks I’ll say sorry to disturb and scurry away a bit quicker.  That’s really all there is to it.  Again the point of this is to get the job done as quickly as possible with as few people knowing it happened as possible.

Few people knowing is mostly for her sake because this will be a surprising thing for her and you don’t want to make her uncomfortable.  The more positively she viewed it the better your chances are. And the majority of the girls do take this in a positive way.

Girls really love to be complimented and some foreigner just told her she was cute and now she feels special.  Many girls faces will light up. But it’s also good to do it quickly for your sake, particularly if you are going to be doing it in the same malls day after day after day.

maybe i can still get her number   A photo posted by Dante (@kick2dante) on

How To Close

From there you just wait for a text and hope it comes.  Sometimes they insta text, but usually it won’t come until the next day.  Once a girl texted me 8 months later (I hadn’t been in the city she lived in for 8 months so I knew.)

The thing is this is not a strategy for someone on a vacation.  As I mentioned I only end up getting about 3% of the girls that visit me over, and the majority of the time the don’t come for weeks if not months.

This is a strategy for someone who lives there.  3% of 100 girls a month can really add up over time, you just need to be patient.

So if you have the time to be patient just be kind and a joker when you text her and don’t rush her into hanging out.  If you are leaving soon then apply more pressure for a quick meet up.

If you’re offering a nice date she may go out sooner.  But since I am just waiting for them to be comfortable enough to hang out at my apartment I really need to let them get comfortable and that takes time.

Set a Personal Record

One time at Ayala mall I see a hot chick, as I walk by I look back and her friend has turned around to check me out. I’m thinking to myself obviously the hot chick pointed me out cos I’m such a stud.

Go back a minute later, hand her my number she’s like “ya ok” and I go.

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My ebook on picking up girls in the Philippines

She texts me and asks me to come back and chat with her cousins and her, of course she insta texts me because again = stud.

I go there after trying to convince her to have the chat any where else away from her cousins but she only wants it there, we introduce ourselves she is a bit shy, the cousin is doing most of the talking (one of main reasons I hate meeting with girls’ friends).

Then the cousin says “she tells me this is the 4th time you have met.” 😀

I look at her and am trying to remember when we banged but no, definitely haven’t.

Turns out I’ve given this girl my number in the mall four times… at least she finally texted me!

Way to get the Hottest Filipina Girls

Finding Pinays like this leads to better results than the dating sites.  When you meet a girl on FilipinoCupid, AsianDating or Pinalove you get to see plenty of pictures, but you still can never be sure how she will look.

When you have already seen the girl at the mall you know she is hot.  If she wasn’t you wouldn’t have approached her.

I always try to ask for the girls facebook when they text me so I can see which one it was.  Sometimes they won’t give me their FB… but I still will go ahead and meet them because I know that I wouldn’t have given her my number if I wasn’t interested.

If you have any better ideas for picking up girls the Philippines let me know in the comments!

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132 Responses

  1. jspill jspill says:

    still think if you ditch the gym shorts/baseball cap/trainers with holes in get up and invest in some nice jeans / tight white t shirt, that 3% success rate would be higher

  2. Skins says:

    “Less eyes the better.” I agree 100%. Especially in a conservative culture. Some girls who like you will still freak out if you whip out your phone and try to get her number with everyone watching. Especially if she’s at work or with a group of friends. She doesn’t want to look easy… Even though she’d love to try riding a foreigner.

    That’s where the “note trick” comes in handy. If we have some privacy of course I think it’s better to get her number. Then you can control the situation instead of waiting around for her text. Also you can save your scrap of paper for another girl. 😉

  3. Julien says:

    I am the reader who asked for this post. Thanks a lot man, it was much more than expected! It would be of course much easier to only hand your paper. I mean smiling and telling her “you’re beautiful etc…” is the most difficult part in my view. Why not then trying to have a small conversation with her then after having done the most tricky step?

    • kick2dante kick2dante says:

      lots of room for error, could walk past another girl you were just chatting up, in the same places all the time, makes it awkward for her because she may want to appear friendly to you but in reality is super shy about the other eyes, that whole ‘so where are you from’ ‘what are you doing here’ awkward first conversation is a bit weird to have with lots of people around……. and i always take the lazy route in pretty much every facet of life so this should be no different

  4. Peter says:

    just a matter of time before 10 guys run around ayala mall doing this now lol

  5. Swiss says:

    Why on earth would you write this and encourage more people to do this? The more people that are running this the quicker the locals are going to catch on to this kind of game.
    There are only two good malls in Cebu. You don’t think the local ladies aren’t going to catch on if there’s a big spike in dudes running around interviewing everything?
    I’ve already ran game in Cebu and when I did me and my friend where the only young guys doing it in the day time at the malls.There where some old rock spyders trying to lift numbers but only the full on gold digger types where going for them.
    Your really shooting yourself in the foot by writing this.
    I really enjoy reading your articles so it’s a catch 22 but the more that young players read up about the easy fishing in the Phils the harder it’s going to get. Back in the day it was only old dudes trawling in the Phils and they where getting a different section of the meat market.
    I can’t imagine you get paid much for writing an article like this.? what’s your motive behind spilling the beans on this excellent interview hot spot? Do you want competition?
    Wouldn’t you prefer to go back and still be the only young guy running around handing out numbers?

    • Jake says:

      Too late now. I saw a girl get approached by three different western guys and they handed her each a piece of paper with what i assume is a phone number. Its a good time to be a filipina.

  6. kick2dante kick2dante says:

    fair points…… this blog is just about my life and that is a main part of my life, can’t really leave it out…… luckily i move around so only a small part of the year will having ayala be flooded with young guys doing this will effect me

    to be honest im starting to get burned out of it anyways….. i was thinking yesterday how this has really only gotten me 3 truly hot girls (meaning 8’s or better) in over a year….. dating sites have got me more 8s then that and are 1/10th the work

    • Swiss says:

      Just because a blog is about your life it doesn’t mean you have to hand the plebs a golden ticket served up on a platter.Maybe it won’t effect you but did you consider it could ruin things for other gentlemen that show initiative and go out and get things done.?You don’t want to be handing out the golden secrets to every idiot with a boner that reads PUA blogs. I think like the other gentleman said Cebu is kind of past it’s glory days anyway but please try to be a bit more considerate of other players. If you discover a new poosy paradise please don’t announce it to the world. Give other people the opportunity to discover it without showing up and finding out there are a bunch of other players working the same scene.As soon as that happens a foreign gent loses his value quickly. chicks catch on to the games the sex/love tourists are playing and it’s game over.
      It’s like if you discovered a blue print to easily make a million bucks. Why not just keep it to yourself or share with your best buds….You don’t want to go announcing that to the whole world One day you might wake up hungry and when you go to make your next million you will discover the blue print doesn’t work anymore.

  7. Peter says:

    Swiss this is a thing you see in bloggers over and over again

    they find a spot thats really good… or come up with a strategy that works for them… and then they just have to go and tell all the world about it

    next thing you know it stops working or stops being good, and then they wonder why

    the sad thing is that most bloggers are not even making any money on their blogs. so theyre destroying all the poosy paradises for NOTHING

    the entire blogging business model is completely flawed… “hey let me give out all my best content for free and then, uh, ill somehow make money off it”

    cebu is already done, as is demonstrated by nomads very low success rate and even 6s flaking on the only dating sites now. and all the bloggers hyping the philippines to high heavens play a huge part in that demise

    • Swiss says:

      I have to agree with you 100 percent.
      If your on to a good thing why go and share it with the world? To what purpose?
      It’s not just poosy paradises that get fucked in the arse by people with a loose keyboard either.
      Everything from excellent spots to invest in real estate. Prime fishing spots, surfing breaks. Are getting crowded out.Hell even good value places to take a holiday turn to shit when u get an influx of Euro trash backpackers romping through because they read it on a lonely planet book.
      The internet truly is the worlds greatest double edged sword..
      Use it wisely people. Is it really worth selling out your poosy paradise for a couple of measly add endorsements from dating sites? Think of the bigger picture.

  8. kick2dante kick2dante says:

    I didn’t realize this blog had the ability to change the world lol….. people have been posting for 10 years on far more popular sites than this that ayala was a good place to meet girls…. again ayala isnt the only option…..i highly doubt guys are reading this and hopping on a plane to fly across the world to get a 35% textback rate…… and i doubt even more that they would have the dedication to keep up with it for months for it to be marginally worthwhile

    and lol @ the philippines being dead already, just because something isn’t as good as it used to be doesn’t mean its dead, and i still doubt there is an easier place on the planet to get laid than PI

  9. Swiss says:

    Ahh I think your right there! It’s mostly likely still the easiest place to get some.
    Don’t underestimate your blog man! I’m sure it’s going to take off. It’s got a lot of great content..
    I still feel the value of exotic novelty factor one gets as one of few young foreigners gaming can quickly swing out of favor if to many young guys are out on the prowl. The young cock gobblers catch on quick. Most of them have nothing better to do than gossip on social media all day.
    Ahhhhh can’t wait to escape the first world again and start getting balls deep into some young tender coconuts!
    I wasn’t solely blaming you either. Your blog is one of many that points out the Phils as the easiest place to run your game etc etc and as such I feel that in recent years there’s been a huge spike in young bucks heading over there to run game where as in the past it was mostly just old rock spyders.

  10. kick2dante kick2dante says:

    ya i hear what you say, one of the good things about the phils is that its not on the cheapo backpacker bus route of vietnam/cambodia/thailand so it should always have less young guys….. but the more that come the harder it will get

    i may just be a bit to negative about the ‘regular girls’ right now cuz i have been focusing on them for many months and am due to switch it back up to pro’s in the near future….. whenever i am doing one i always want the other

    • Manny says:

      The bottom line is those guys not want to spend a dime and handling a phone number they want a free sex, even is they broke the girls heart. Most of them are young with tight bugget and probably a backpacker, believing to explot their aparience of being white and therefore think that most Filipinas believe that most white are rich.

  11. IAMAFilipino says:

    Dante… You act and speak like your some kind of a playboy or chick magnet… you think what your are doing is so cool and you think you are an expert when it comes to women? I tell you what… You shouls stop disrespecting Filipinas and women in general… Go get a girlfriend and put your attention to her… Filipinas and women in general are not toys to play with and dispose of when you had enough fun…

  12. kick2dante kick2dante says:

    i dont do anything you just said, i am fully honest with all of the girls that i am not looking for any type of relationship before we ever even hang out the first time, if they are fine with it then what is the issue?

    im not disrespecting them in any way, they are making their decision and if they want to do it also then why shouldnt i?

  13. Gismo says:

    It’s pick up.. The 3% rate are actually pretty good, you can risk the other girls. And the approach is way to easier, you just hand out a piece of paper….But I doubt if this will work with Filipino guys like me.

  14. Mike says:

    3% is low for any country… in the Philippines it’s absurdly low. I’m a white guy and my rate at malls is 20-25% minimum, albeit my method uses PUA techniques and business cards. There’s clearly something off about the author which would explain the low success rate. I like this site but if he’s only hitting 3 out of 100 times he shouldn’t be giving advice on the topic. On the other hand I do think he’s doing the rest of us a service even if the only message is to be more courageous.

    • jspill jspill says:

      😀 Yeah he needs to put more effort into his physical presentation, but the work ethic is impressive.

    • kick2dante kick2dante says:

      But do you:

      A) cold approach any 7 or better that you see with no prior communication at all

      and B) tell them you arent looking for a serious relationship before the first time you hang out

      and C) only meet them if they agree to have the first hang out be at your apartment:?

      if i wanted to only approach girls i had some sort of an in with before hand, not tell them that i was only looking for ‘friends’ and take them out on real dates first then i could have a much higher rate of success

      but pinays are so flaky i dont like to get a whole lot of time invested in one, i also hate things like ‘dates’ or taking girls to discos, or meeting girls in discos….. why sit there with 1 pole waiting to catch a fish that may tell you 17 times you cant eat it until ‘next time’ when you can throw out a big net

      im basically looking for a very small percent of girls that are curious to experiment with a foreigner and have the balls (maybe not the best word) to go through with it

  15. Jerry Lynch says:

    Why doesn’t he just find a decent girl who will be with him every night and who will cook him his favorite breakfast every morning? I’ve found that to be quite satisfactory and don’t go around wasting time or paper.

  16. David41 says:

    I’m old 41, I’m fat almost 300 pounds, I am bald, and I do not have a lot of money (by western standard) But I go to the mall and without any work, I am approached or smiled (flirtingly) at by a girl daily. Sometimes I talk to them and I am able to get laid more than 50% of the time. If you walk around with a smile and you are friendly you can get laid. No game needed. I don’t need to hand out cards, paly games. I paid for sex 1 time, and not p4p it was I gave her money because I liked her and wanted to give something. I have never been asked by any girl to pay anything. But with that said, a lot of these girls think that I will marry them and support them. Just like Dante I do not tell them I will. I just say I do not want anything serious and they think they can persuade me later. Here is what you do. Wear a polo shirt, nice jeans, nice shoes and clean shaven. Smile a lot and be happy.

  17. Uralier says:

    It’s so funny to hear this guys rap on the phippines! It’s all boils down to bullshit and deep mental issues ! This clown was probably sexually molested, raped, or been served a STD he can’t rid off ! I don’t let him preach his expertise ! I’m sure he likes to satisfie the young ladybird
    Just saying

  18. Garland says:

    I have girl friend ,, and we walk the open malls when I come to Manila ,, true they are not a lot of 9 and 10 like I’ve seen in Colombia and Venezuela ,, but let me tell you brother, a very interested 7 or 8 will win out every time , and the looks I get make me feel drunk

  19. kick2dante kick2dante says:

    ya a 7 or 8 in your bed is better than a 9 on your monitor 🙂

  20. Ryan says:

    What kind of wanker writes this garbage?
    Any serious player doesn’t have time to be handing out their number in malls. Looks so lame.

  21. elruso says:

    the guys who are worried about other players coming to Philippines and running game on local girls. you cant be serious. why not share the insights, there is enough filipinas for everyone. manila is such as huge city with so many girls, dont worry, you’ll still get pussy if you got game and look ok, even if there are a few other guys doing the same thing you are doing. respect for the article

  22. Dave says:

    Why not take them out on a nice date if you think that would get you some action quicker? Most girls, sensibly, are not going to go to some guys house when they don’t know him well.

    • dante dante says:

      if the girl is hot enough then i got no problem doing that

      but if a 6.5 will come straight to mine and there is a 90% chance we are going to bang with ease or a 7 is going to go on a date and there is a 60% chance we end up banging ill take the 6.5 that is more of a sure thing

      great thing about being here is that you dont really need to force anything

    • thibault says:

      after a momebnt i think the limit is..
      what YOU want to do with your night.

      if you enjoy going to a nice restaurant with an enertaining date rather than bgoing alone… think of this as an “escort” in the original sense of the term, which is hypocritically used for more horizontal maneuvers.

      or, if she is boring and moody and her only use in life would be that horizontal mumbo jumbo. going to a restaurant wth a date can be a pain if sh s not playful.

      whatever makes you have a good night.
      but in the end, we all now the main factor will be cost. if the price of a meal in a third world country is pocket money, dates are more acceptable.
      if you are dante and spending even a cent for a lifejacket in a drowning boat is an abomination, maybe the balance bends toward no date.

      • dante dante says:

        actually its more about not liking the 1 on 1 face to face restaurant experience with a girl who is likely to be very shy at first…. much rather be sitting on the couch with a movie on

  23. Travelinguy7 says:

    This happened about six years ago so may not be true today, with life there a bit more prosperous. I went to the upscale mall across from the Makati Shangri-la with my Filipina wife and her nieces. They stopped to go into a shoe store (natch) but my wife said I shouldn’t go in because “they always raise the price when they see she’s with an American.” So I just wondered around and window shopped in the area. n a few minutes, a really gorgeous, well-dressed, mid-twentyish Filipina came up to me and said, “Hello sir, are you traveling alone?” I’ve been to Asia enough to know that reverse pick-up line. Now I’m a short sixty-year old who’s slightly paunchy, so I know it wasn’t my looks or sexual magnetism. And I’m not sure if she was an educated hooker or she just wanted to meet an American. But I’ve no doubt that if I was indeed traveling alone, I would have been in like Flint. I told a young, good-looking nephew who was licking his wounds from a divorce recently that he should take the next plane to Manila. He’d be beating them off with a bat as they chased him down Ayala Avenue.

  24. Madeinitaly76 says:

    Hi Guys,
    Mate lovely blog…please do not listen to negativity…
    I have been to the Phils few times..mainly Visayas…going back this November for a month and always happy to meet fellow tourists like you… this time im doing my usual stop and staying in Lapu Lapu then exploring Mindanao (1st time). Meeting women in the Phils is extremely easy. Dating sites are a great launching platform just don’t be turned off by their profiles seeking a God fearing man who will take her to the moon and back…forever and ever loyal …. bla bla bla etc..each profile is identical to the other copy and paste style. So dont be afraid and message them…be nice, gentle not rude and after a while tell them you dont want to waste their time as you just read in their profile that they are looking for “the one” and that you, by the simple fact that you are there for a small period cannot possibly be…tell them that you are sorry to have wasted their time and that you are looking for friendship, companionship and hopefully mutual adult fun if they are single….afterall we are all adults and we DESERVE to enjoy life. Tell them that and throw in the idea of dating…
    50% will come back and say to you that the fact that you will be leaving combined with the fact that she is looking for something serious doesnt meant that you cannot meet and have a drink. BINGO!!
    Now at this stage unless you are a complete asshole, smell and completely penniless you will be getting pleased by that tiny eye candy within a matter of hours…
    Last time i was in the Phils for 24 days and banged 16 chicks (from 18 to 27)…some of them i kept them for 2-3 days…to be honest with you…i could have done more but i m in my late 30’s and no longer have the energy some young studs have.

    Day or night game are challenging and a lot of fun…indulge in it by all means..i do it when i have time, dont mind strolling around and dont mind possible failure…but personally im ore strategic and use technology as it has proven a high superior yield. Some mentioned that dating sites sometimes result in ugly cheeks different from their photos….i personally am happy to enjoy ladies from 5 above, not too fussy unless they are morbidly obese, smelly, old or with crooked teeth and the likes. To be honest with you im an old guy…(40 now) if a 19yo girl approaches me and is cute and say a bit chubby…i dont reject her…where i come from you seen, there are no 19yo approaching me…regardless of their looks. Bottom line lowering alightly your standards can be a lot of fun in the long run as 5, 6’s can be much more giving in bed than a 10, but you may disagree.
    In saying that im 40yo, trim and toned, mediterranean looks, sophisticated, educated and speak few non asian languages. On the same token, im bold and only 5’7…and im not from the US…
    If anyone who is an half decent individual is in the southern regions of the Phils in November happy to buy ’em a cold one…
    Ciao

  25. SouthernAdventurer says:

    Speaking of Facebook, do you use your real profile or have one just for the girls. I mean do you want your family back stateside seeing what your into.

    • kick2dante kick2dante says:

      ive never had a ‘real profile’

      • jspill jspill says:

        I don’t even know his real name lol I’ve known him years. Dante’s a bit unique shall we say

        I use my real profile with Thai girls and Pinays, never had a problem. Don’t care about my family seeing stuff, but all they see is just pics of me with dates at restaurants or whatever, it’s not like I’m posting selfies with street hookers

        • SouthernAdventurer says:

          I meant eventually your bound to piss one of these girls off enough that they start getting even by bad mouth to all you friends and family. I’d hate my 75 year old grandmother (who is on Facebook literally every waking hour) to be told what I’m into. Everyone younger then that knows what I’m doing. Not something I’m that worried about but still.

        • SouthernAdventurer says:

          This might just be me projecting the problems I’ve had with American women on Asians.

          • jspill jspill says:

            Turn off your Facebook friends list in privacy settings so they can’t see it. If it’s a working girl that you just want to add to check out their pics, then at first you can put them on restricted profile too so they can’t do see your timeline, can’t do anything except message you. If they notice and ask just say oh I forgot to set it correctly. Or switch them over to restricted profile later when you stop talking to them as much.

            It’s the same in Line, you can set who can see your Line timeline.

            But I’ve never heard of that happening, it’s not Asian girls’ style to start messaging your family on FB. Some friends pissed off girls and they called Thai police to tell them the guy was playing online poker, the police didn’t do anything though

  26. Gee says:

    Hey guys just wanted to thank you for the great information you gave me on this blog. I originally came here trough the living in Cebu budget post and gotta say that some other posts caught my interest as well haha Helped me a lot on deciding to make the move to Cebu City. I´m probably younger than most of your readers (did not hit my 20´s yet) but glad to have come across this blog. Especially the posts about the girls made me think to give this a try and as of now I don´t regret it and I´m really enjoying it here. The part of the city I´m at is really nice and there is pretty much no need to leave it instead to head to Ayala every once in a while. Can´t complain about anything, even the internet is pretty fast. The girls part has been even better than I expected. I went with approaching girls asking for directions then asking for their number and it worked out pretty well. I even got 1 to come directly to my place after the approach. I have yet to deal with flakyness as all girls that agreed to a meet came trough. And once you got them to come to your place you pretty much won already.

    That there are close to no white guys in my age around here favors me a lot I´m assuming. What I thought would be an issue was girls asking for money, but I have yet to be asked for. Was not even asked for transportation money what I thought would be a normal thing here. I gotta say there might be a lot of girls looking for money but there are a lot of girls that I could compare to girls from my circle of friends in the western world just that they are so more easy going here in the Phils. I now have settled for one girl who is pretty cute, has a job at a call center really near to my place and is fun to be with. Her English even beats mine so I´m pretty happy with that. She´s 21 (older that me) but still looks 16. With her for almost a month now and again money is not an issue. Even treats me a meal every once in a while which is something I appreciate as I can kinda identify myself with Dante on the money spending aspect haha. Meant to write this for a while as I personally always am happy if I get feedback on my own work as well. Keep up the good work guys, truly helped me a lot and increased the quality of my life in some way. Cheers

  27. Zero says:

    Hi could you speak on the rarity of 8 or higher?

    Online you see almost every picture of a filipina being at least a 7 or above but I know that just can not be realistic. I have decided to actually come to the country and meet women instead of trusting what I see online.

    When researching it I have noticed that 99% of guys who have married or are dating a filipina long-term that have websites or youtube channels-no disrespect but 99.9% of their wives or girlfriends are not above a 5 in looks.

    This is why your comment about actually finding an attractive Filipina stuck out to me.

    Also I think the level of the guy plays a big part as well. Here in America I am considered handsome or at the very least cute. I have a good paying office job and I am in shape, so I get attention from plenty of women.

    The problem is that I am short and we all know Western women prefer tall men. So even though I do get attention from girls, the women who are 7’s and above have their choice of men and they will not deal with a guy under 5’10. This is what attracts me to the Philippines, their women are naturally short.

    But I see it as silly for me to travel all the way over to the Philippines from America just to get a girl who looks worse than what I can easily get at home. Sure for some old guy or out of shape guy he would love to just get any woman’s attention but I already get attention from the 1-6 in looks girls, with the occasional 7 here or there.

    But I would like to date a few 8’s through 10’s.

    Anyway, could you talk more about the scale of looks in the Philippines as well as how rare it is to actually meet a single 8 and above?

    • kick2dante kick2dante says:

      don’t come to SEA for 8’s and above, they are hard to find anywhere in the world but even harder here

      i seriously think i have seen less than 30 all year, that is with going out for an hour or two a day minimum with the sole intent of hand number to 8 or above

      • Zero says:

        Hi Kick2dante and jspill thanks for answering my question.

        If possible could you two list maybe some filipina actresses or pornstars and label them as hot or unattractive and average?

        I am especially interested in what is considered the “average” look of the women there by you.

        Because as kick2dante said, I am researching the country and every girl I see that is not a prostitute or online scammer looks like someone I would not go after sober (I apologize if that sounds mean). Again it is not about being picky but it is about flying all the way over there to meet a girl that is 3 pegs below what I can get here.

        I know guys who can not get sex over here do it but I don’t have the problem of not being able to get sex from a girl, my problem is getting an attractive girl.

        I am not sure how tall you two are, but for me because of my height I am limited to the number of girls willing to give me a chance regardless of my body, looks, or personal wealth. Women with multiple kids, overweight women, and unattractive women are my current options. I have to work like hell trying to court a woman that is a 7 or higher even if she is shorter than me and I still may end up friend zoned (but used until she finds a better guy).

        However, I would still choose a hot single mom with 3 kids, a big girl with cute a face, or an ugly girl with a hot body over some of the pics of the filipina’s I’ve seen (rough skin, horrible teeth).

        I just need an idea of what is considered average looking over there. Again, every site I have seen has literally thousands of hot looking pictures, but I know that the scammers live on the online sites.

        Also I am 5’6, what is the average height of a filipina?

        • jspill jspill says:

          http://nomadphilippines.com/filipina-porn-stars/ – CJ Miles hot, Charmane star average (in recent pics, she looks a bit old now)

          I think there’s not much you can do except fly here and find out, it’s really subjective, some guys aren’t into Asian chicks at all

          Dante and I are under 6 foot too, it’s not an issue. Average Filipina is shorter than you and they don’t care about how tall a guy is

          Since you will have so many more options here, you’ll find someone hot amongst all those options, even if the average Filipina is less hot

          Worst comes to worst Thailand and Vietnam are a $60 flight away

          I wouldn’t worry about the rough skin / horrible teeth, that’s rare

          And most guys’ opinions about prostitutes change once they get here, they end up sleeping with them, even dating/sponsoring them, because many prostitutes here look, act, and are, pretty normal sweet girls.

          • Zero says:

            Hey Jspill thanks for the response.

            I think every girl on that list of the link you posted was hot. Of course that is wearing makeup hot.

            I want to date and not just have sex, any suggestions on how to do that once I get there? I have read that many filipina’s are possessive and casual dating (even without sex) is not done there like here in America.

            Also like I asked Dante below, where is the best place to meet women besides the mall? What is your opinion on meeting girls from online?

            Is there a way to discover if she is a scammer, married, has kids, etc besides investing a lot time in getting to know her? I have read many stories about the scammers and the green card hunters

            • kick2dante kick2dante says:

              don’t overthink the scammer angle, the ‘scammers’ are girls who tell you their sister is sick and ask you to pay the hospital bill within a day of meeting them, it is obvious they are fake so just say no

              i think the best way is to start off with ‘i dont mean to be rude, but if we meet do you want money?’ then if she gets upset explain u have had girls in phils ask for money a few times before but werent judging her personally……. that will cut out a lot of the BS…. u will still get some that say no and ask later but u did ur best to not take advantage of them

          • jspill jspill says:

            Check this post – http://nomadphilippines.com/filipina-dating-site-scams/

            I agree with Dante, that as long as you don’t send large sums of money to a Filipina there’s no real way to get scammed.

            What you read online is worse than the reality, scams do happen but not that much. And if you don’t hand over your life savings to a girl, buy a house in a girl’s name, or something like that nothing can really happen.

            Have been with 300+ girls and other than lending them small <$100 sums and not getting paid back, nothing happened. But I never married, or had kids with one, or took one to my country. If you just want dating for now, you should be fine.

          • jspill jspill says:

            If you end up getting super serious with a girl, pick one with a degree and a job, and all her friends and family appear middle class / normal. Common sense. The green card scam is usually a guy rushing into marriage too fast with a low class girl, then she leaves him once she gets her green card. At least he still got laid, usually that kind of guy was struggling to find a girl at home anyway.

            Dating sites are great. The scammers are ones that ask you to transfer money before meeting… obviously just don’t do that. People report them and they get banned. Especially on the bigger sites like FilipinoCupid and AsianDating. Same with fake pic profiles. Just ask to video chat.

            Fairly often they’ll lie about having a kid, cheat, secretly be married, etc. but that happens with girls everywhere.

            Often Asian girls use nicknames because their full names are long, sometimes you can enter their full name into Facebook search / Google and find other social media profiles, with pics of other guys / kids.

            Casual dating / sex is definitely done here.

            Other ways to meet girls – all public places, bars, clubs, streets, social ‘meetup’ events, Facebook groups / communities, using more than one dating site, chat apps tinder/happn/badoo/skout/wechat that scan around your location using GPS, Facebook friends list of girls (you can randomly add girls here and most will accept).

    • jspill jspill says:

      dante i believe you’ve said you actually prefer white/latino chicks to asian girls though, if we’re just going on looks not attitudes. so maybe your points system is a bit low

      it’s also quite subjective, when dante (rarely) sends me a pic of a girl he likes i’m not usually impressed, and vice versa when i send him pics (all the time)

      and it depends if you’re into mostly into faces, or mostly into bodies…

      all the time when I’m on the MRT or BTS walking behind chicks in Bangkok i’m falling in love, everything’s so perfectly presented, their clothes, shape, legs, then i catch up to them or they tilt their head, and their face is a huge let down

      in vietnam their faces are more beautiful, symmetrical like china dolls, but i’m let down by bony asses and weird body shapes

      dante is also into big boobs, i prefer small boobs. so my 8 is a lot easier to find than dante’s 8

      in the Philippines I’d add at least 1 to the rating scale because of how friendly and easy to bang they are

      plus some guys start liking asian girls more over time when they move here, the ‘yellow fever’ effect

      • kick2dante kick2dante says:

        hell ya latinas are hot as hell, its very hard to find sexy face plus curvy body without a chubby stomach in asia

        i dont really count attitude or clothes or their presentation on their 1 to 10 rating, to me it doesnt matter if the girl is in a nice dress or jeans and a tshirt…. though the nice dress will just make her easier to notice

        • Zero says:

          I agree! Raw facial beauty and body’s sexual appeal is what should be considered in the 1-10 count not attitude or clothes. They should not be counted until after the initial attraction phase

        • Zero says:

          Also I am not sure where you are from but here in the States the reactions of women are 50/50 to being approached in public unless the guy is super attractive.

          From reading your post about the shyness of filipina’s do you believe that open approach for them is the same? If so what is the best way in your opinion to meet women there?

          I read online is the worst only because it is mostly made of of scammers; sure they will be glad to meet you but they are also most likely to have husbands, kids, and boyfriends without telling you.

          What are your thoughts on all this?

          • jspill jspill says:

            They’re shy but they’re not going to react negatively / get angry

            The fact that they are shy is why dating sites are good, normal girls go online to look for guys, it doesn’t have the same stigma as the West (where if you use a dating site you’re some kind of loser)

            And dating sites are full of all the chicks that like foreigners, they use dating sites specifically to find us, if they wanted a Pinoy boyfriend there’s no need to go online

            A girl you meet out and about could easily lie about having kids / partner as well

            Not many people post good stories on forums, ‘oh I dated a girl and it all worked out fine’, that’d be boring, and they’re too busy enjoying the relationship. You mostly hear about bad stuff

            • SouthernAdventurer says:

              Exactly. Some of these girls are cool as hell. I’m talking to one thats a gamer like me. I didn’t mention I was she brought it up. Another I’ve been seeing pays for her half of everything. We did karaoke the other day and she paid for it because I got the movie the first date.

              Like spill said you only here about the bad apples. I would wager most women here are not going to try to milk you for every dime. Some will but you just dump those and move on. This country is the epitome of the cliche “Theres plenty of fish in the sea”

          • kick2dante kick2dante says:

            the best way is to use all the tools in your arsenal, these girls are super flaky so you always need to be making new contacts, online is the quickest way but if you see a pretty girl anywhere and it is an acceptable way to approach then go for it

            obviously if she is holding hands with a guy or with her mom or something dont do it, or if she is going to have 100 people staring after her, but be polite about it and it will be fine

            i like to just give them my number and put the decision in their hands, many guys say thats a bad way but its easier and less stressful on both of us

  28. SouthernAdventurer says:

    I’ve got a good story. I was wondering around Ayala trying to find my way in that maze of a mall. I had my earphones in jamming out to rock when this girl comes up to me and asks the time. Well she mimed the time as I couldn’t hear her she just pointed at her wrist (I’m like who wears a watch nowadays). I told her and started walking off. She then asked do you want some company to which I replied “no” and walked off. I mean if your a guy trying to be a girl the least you can do is be clean shaven.

    Word of Caution guys if women here are that forward they probably working an angle. Either there a pro, semi-pro, or a ladyboy 9/10. Filpinas are too shy to do that on average.

    • Zero says:

      So in your opinion is it rare for women to approach men over there?

      I have heard a lot of stories of filipina’s approaching men if he is a westerner but perhaps they are like kick2dante and jspill said, just over hyped stories

      • SouthernAdventurer says:

        Or complete bullshit. Its not happened to me in a month and I’m a good looking guy that’s 6’1. If they are like I said there working an angle. You have to ask yourself even if the guys Brad Pitt how often do girls approach him back home. Girls here are even more reserved then western women. Could it happen sure but don’t bet on it.

        • Zero says:

          If the girls there are so reserved how would you compare them to American women?

          Most American women hate for guys approaching them in public also. They prefer online where they have all the power because they get 100 emails for ever 1 a guy gets.

          Also American women like to be courted (entertained and impressed) for weeks or even months to have a guy prove himself before agreeing to anything because they consider themselves reserves also.

          So what some differences?

        • jspill jspill says:

          They’re outwardly reserved in public but not in private, they’ll have sex quite quickly because they don’t want to lose the guy. Men have a lot of choices here.

          It’s the same in Thailand they care a lot about outward appearance, what their peers and the older generation might think, but when no ones looking they put out pretty quickly.

          • Zero says:

            Speaking of sex, how do you think they would react to getting tested for STD’s before we have sex?

            I don’t want to catch anything and I always exchange test result with girls here in the States as well. You would be surprised at how quick a woman will say that testing is a good thing but when you ask her she gets offended; even if you offer her your results as well.

          • Zero says:

            So jspill you said that you have had sex with over 300 women in asian,
            how hard or easy do you think it is to convince a filipina to commit to a threesome?

            • jspill jspill says:

              About half were hookers hehe

              Hmm when it comes to threesomes I don’t think it’s anything to do with nationality, I think a girl is either has a fantasy about that or they don’t, they’re ok with that or they’re not, etc.

              You might have more chance of convincing a Filipina for economic reasons, i.e. she doesn’t want to lose you so she agrees to it, whereas a western girl might have more options if she breaks up with you over it

              In Asia a girl knows you can just get in a cab 5 minutes and pay for a threesome quite cheaply

              There are some expats who set up a harem, living with more than one girl, the girls probably don’t like it but the guy is supporting them financially

              Filipinas are horny but they’re also extremely jealous, so it’s a complicated one. I’ve never actually tried to convince a girl, I’ve had girls suggest it to me a couple times though.

            • SouthernAdventurer says:

              I’ve had two threesomes since I’ve been here and could have had a foursome but they were freelancers. IE I paid them. On top of that they were probably 6’s. One of them wont stop trying to play pimp now Always the I have a friend that wants to meet you are you free. Honestly threesomes are kind of pointless you only have one dick.

  29. Zero says:

    Here is a question for anyone who wants to answer:

    Last year I spent the summer in Europe and one of the main reasons I went was because so many guys hyped up how easy it was for American’s to get a European model and how the girls approach and chase the guys all the time there.

    Well when I arrived I discovered that it was not like that at all. The only girls who approached or chased were the low quality (fat, ugly, multiple kids) women; model level women were just as hard to date over there as they are here in the states.

    So from reading your replies to me here is my question: What myths or lies have you guys found to be false when you actually started interacting with real Philippino women?

    You guys have already said the amount of scammers and golders that are reported is false; any other falsities to know about? For example I had always heard that they would quickly approach a guy if she realized he was a westerner but from reading SouthernAdventure’s comment, I see that is false.

    Another one that has already talked about was the number of women who are 7’s in looks or higher that are everywhere in the Philippines who would date an American in a heartbeat.

    I love asian women and I don’t want to go over there with a cocky arrogance just because I am American, but I also don’t want to go over there assuming how great filipina’s are compared to women here in the states only to be disappointed.

    My point is that I am planning to come over there for about 6 months to a year and any advice you can give me before arriving about women would be appreciated.

    • SouthernAdventurer says:

      If you don’t build this place up on a pedestal its fun as hell. Just don’t expect the women to do the chasing. Thats unrealistic no matter where you go. You will feel like a model though as you get checked out (or just looked at strongly) everywhere you go.

      If you do come I would sign up to all the dating sites Dante/Jspill mention at least two weeks before you get here. Date-in Asia and Cupid are the ones I find myself using mostly. I waited till I got here and it took a week to lay down the groundwork. Most women on them want to get to know a guy before they meet him. BTW to avoid ladyboys use the search option wants children. I know that sounds strange but think about it, you can’t have kids if your a gender bender they usually say undecided. Not foolproof but better then guessing or wasting time.

      • Zero says:

        If you use the online dating more than meeting at the mall, then shouldn’t a person be getting more 7 and above in looks?

        A person can see her picture before he decide to meet her. I have never used those two site particularly but I would assume they are like all the others with literally thousands of pictures of filipina’s that are at least 7’s or higher.

        Could you explain why it is considered rare to meet a 7 or higher even with online dating over there?

        Do you think most of those pictures on those sites are fake? Have you ever had a problem with their inability to speak “understandable” english?

        • SouthernAdventurer says:

          I use online more because I’m not big on cold approaches Dante does. I’ve got mad text game, so I stick to my strengths. Plus online pinas usually are more open to foreigners thats why they’re on there. There are a ton of 7’s at the mall but I’ve only given my number to two and they were solid 8’s (neither has text me). I’m not going to get the nerve up to go up to some girl unless she really gets my meter running.

          I’ve met a girl that I would rate an 8 online so it is possible (didn’t get any, long story). Like back home the hotter they are the higher there expectations so its more work.

          My exp is if they only have one or two photos they are probably not representative. They are cherry picked and might not be recent. Always get them to send more through Viber (which btw every girl here has it seems). If they won’t there probably full of it everyone has a camera on there phone now.

          No big problems with English so far. It sometimes takes a time or two before you understand them but usually they speak decent english. Talking on the phone though is a nightmare, stick to text or in person. That could be me though I hate trying to understand people even in the US on the phone.

      • Zero says:

        Okay I apologize in advance for sounding homophobic (because I am not, I respect everyone) but your story about being approached by a girl with a beard is scary.

        I thought the whole “women pretending to be men thing” was rare or only for gay men? Because be honest, why would someone try to trick you into dating them when they know eventually you will find out it is a guy?

        Straight men don’t test the waters with other men. Again I am not basing homosexual men; I have no problem with them. So what do you think their angle is?

        This does give me another question to ask, how hard or easy is it to get threesome’s over there?

        Are Philippino woman against it as much as American women or are they more open to it? That was the one thing I loved most about European women, they were very open and aggressive sexually.

        • SouthernAdventurer says:

          I get you man I’m the same way, I don’t care what people do just don’t expect me to be into it. I couldn’t tell you why they pretend to be women but it happens. They usually at some point tell you there ladyboys. They don’t wait until your in bed with them lol. Usually while your still chatting online and in person you can usually tell. Its not that bad just know it happens. You can always ask if you have reservations.

          BTW she had stubble not a full beard. Like five oclock shadow.

          • Zero says:

            You said that you can usually tell when you are chatting online that it is not a girl; how?

            • SouthernAdventurer says:

              I wrote that wrong lol. Online they usually tell you when you start talking about meeting. Like “by the way I’m a Ladyboy is that okay” to which I say “sorry I’m not into that. I also always ask if there over 5’2” just in case.

              In person you can usually tell. One like I said there more forward. Two they usually dress really slutty. Filpinas tend to dress more conservative. Three they are usually taller (that ones not always the case some pinas are 5’6 or so).

              If you get a bad vibe just ask. Be like “I’m sorry to ask but I have met some ladyboys since I’ve been here, were you born a girl.” If she gets offended try to laugh it off and say “I was just making sure. You honestly look too good to be a ladyboy”

              • Zero says:

                Hey SouthernAdventurer
                Any other advice you would like to give about messing with filipina’s?

              • SouthernAdventurer says:

                Don’t be cheap like Dante lol. I’ve started paying for there taxi so I can actually get them here. Its like $2-5 and I don’t have to fight the traffic let her lol.

                Never under any circumstances let them bring someone with them. Its awful being a third wheel and your having to pay to be one. And trust me some will ask. I learned this lesson with that 8 I mentioned. She brought her sister and her little brother (who for all I know was really her 4 yr old son she was 24). She expected me to pay for there dinner which wouldn’t have bothered me if I hadn’t already fed the kid while we were bowling which was a rip off. Don’t bowl here.

              • Zero says:

                I understand what you are saying about allowing them to bring someone but what about considering her safety?

                Even in both America and Europe I have had women care about their safety when meeting a stranger over the internet. Though to be honest no one has ever brought someone along.

                How do you find that balance between being a meal ticket for her family and acknowledging her real concerns about her safety meeting a stranger from the internet?

              • jspill jspill says:

                Lol yeah bowling is crazy expensive.

                Common sense but be careful saying anything bad in a general way about their country, Filipinos (and Thais) are extremely sensitive about criticism.

                Don’t give the impression that you expect them to like you because you’re a foreigner or have a lot of money, they hate that. I’ve had girls tell me that foreign guys showed them their bank balances (lol), said hey look I’m rich I can take care of you, and they hated that.

                Just be humble and normal, show polite interest in their culture, learn to speak a bit of the language

                Ask lots of questions, they do that to us as a way to show interest and making conversation, it’s not considered rude or prying. Don’t be surprised if you get asked personal questions sooner than normal.

                If they ask ‘what you doing’ or if you’ve eaten your dinner yet, that’s just another way of showing interest. Don’t get annoyed when you get asked 5 times a day.

                Have hobbies, interests, and some rehearsed reasons why you’re living there, come off as normal. Then you don’t get stereotyped as a sex tourist or criminal on the run from their home country. Be someone they could introduce their friends to. Good personal hygiene etc.

              • SouthernAdventurer says:

                Well I always offer to meet them in a public place like a mall. If at that point they don’t want to meet, then its probably just a way to get a free meal from you. Use your discretion bud, but I’ve just learned its not worth it. If she brings a friend they will end up talking tagalog half the time.

                It’s just awkward as hell. Obviously if shes a stunner it might be worth it. Its up to you.

    • jspill jspill says:

      I’d say there are 7s everywhere who would date an American in a heartbeat. Higher than 7s though, it drops off a lot, but that’s to be expected. And of course it depends what you consider a 7, whether you’re into faces or bodies more, etc. etc.

      You’ll get more smiles, stares, and way more messages on dating sites than you would back home, but yeah don’t expect them to cold approach you without working some angle, especially just on the street.

      They might send a friend over to say hey my friend likes you, in a social setting like a cafe, bar, disco. But mostly they will be giving signals and hoping you are the one to do the talking.

      • Zero says:

        The signals are just repeated eye contact and a smile?

      • jspill jspill says:

        Maybe playing with her hair, giggling, her friends looking over while she’s not looking, then saying something to her, stuff like that. Raising a glass in a disco.

        On the one hand there are more prostitutes around, especially in certain bars and discos, but over time you’ll get better at spotting those. Some of the things you read on forums are probably written by guys who are over excited and didn’t realise yet that the girl walking up to them and banging them was hoping for money.

        But even with the prostitutes mixed in you will still get more signals from girls.

        Girls get lonely here and there are certain girls that get very little attention from guys (a girl nearly 30 years of age is considered ‘over the hill’ by Asian guys, and girls with bit darker skin tone are considered ‘low class’).

        There is also a better ratio of women to straight men, a lot of the local guys are gay. That’s another way they can show interest, send a gay friend over to talk to you.

  30. Zero says:

    This may seem like a silly question but

    has anyone every had any problems with other westerners?

    Like competition or jealousy over a girl?

  31. Zero says:

    Hi Guys I know I haven’t been on here in a while but I have a quick question for you,

    So I am still planning on visiting the Philippines and I have started chatting with women online to get a feel for them. I told all of them that I am just looking for chat buddies nothing else and I a still in the States…

    But what I wanted your opinions on was why do so many of them give me their number immediately and tell me to call them either before or within the first email exchange?

    They say download this app so we can talk for free and then they give me their number… Maybe I am just use to talking to American women who make you fight tooth and nail just for one of her 7 digits but this seems strange to me…

    Am I just being paranoid? Is it a cultural thing? What are your opinions?

    • kick2dante kick2dante says:

      they might not have computers and have to go to the internet cafe to chat with you but can easily chat from home on their phone

      • jspill jspill says:

        Yeah it’s normal cos the interface on filipino cupid and most dating sites sucks, once they’ve found you they’d rather use texts or Viber

        Filipina girls commonly get bundles of free text messages, and Viber is free to call, so between the two it saves them money

        And it’s a cultural thing they don’t care about handing out their number, accepting Facebook requests from random people, etc., quite as much as Western girls

        You’ll also notice many girls here set 100% of their Facebook posts to public for the world to see

    • Zero says:

      Okay thanks guys like I said I was just paranoid. I plan on arriving there this summer (though I am thinking of pushing it back to this winter because I am thinking of going London this summer instead).

      Online is so frustrating because many girls seem so nice but I can’t read anyone online like can in person. It has only been two weeks that I have been chatting with girls and at first receiving so many messages seemed daunting but now I see that girls disappear all the time so in the beginning quantity does trump quality.

      Plus I am learning massive patience! Because I know that when the girls take a long time to reply it means that they are probably chatting with at least a dozen other guys.

      I haven’t been asked for money yet but I know it is coming. The problem with online is that they all seem like honest and genuine girls. Now to be fair I did join a site called Tagged to chat instead of one of the cupid sites because I did not want the girls to think I am there to date them; do you guys agree or disagree?

      I don’t know if it is the site or what but the quality of the looks of the women who have messaged me (I’ve had about 400 so far) is very low. I mean I think so far I have only seen one 7!!! And she is the highest in the looks department I have seen that has contacted me, the rest I would easily put at the 3-4 range. Like I said, I can get those here in America.

      I also get a lot of 50 year old women contacting me what are you guys opinions of that? It seems weird! I am 24 and my age is listed… You get a few who look good for their age but once you click their pictures (because thumbnails are small) You see that this grandma looks like a grandma. Also I think a lot of the girl lie about their age, because some of the 20 year olds look late 30ish or early 40ish to me.

      Anyway do you guys agree or disagree with my actions or should I just wait until I get there and then join a cupid site like you guys have? Because as I said the quality of the looks of the women are low on tagged but it is not a dating site so I don’t have to worry about as many women misunderstanding me. My reasoning for this is that I think a scammer could play the dating/girlfriend game and wait, then once she knows you are hooked she will start asking you for little things. That is why I am trying to make sure they know I am not looking for anything more than just friends to chat with now.

      But if I waited until I got there I would have to start from scratch instead of having someone to hang with once I got there. I guess I just don’t relish the idea of doing a lot of hunting once I am there.

      • SouthernAdventurer says:

        You write a book on every comment LOL. In my experience the ones that message YOU are usually on the low end of the scale in the looks dept (or the 40-50 yr olds). They just spam every white guy (or maybe every guy who knows) they come across. You have to search yourself to find they better looking ones but don’t expect to find 9’s or even a ton of 8’s. They don’t need to use online dating.

        Just search the city your going to and sort by Last Active and then message any you find attractive. 60-75% will message you back within a day or two (some later some never). Out of those maybe half will actually meet with you. If they meet with you most of the time they will sleep with you. Like dante says try to get them to meet you at your room. I always say I’m working (I tell them I work online) and can’t go out so if they want to hang out they’ll have to come to my place.

        Like I said I would wait until two weeks before I come to sign up for a site. BTW Date in Asia is free and I’ve had good luck getting girls to come over from that site. Cupid for me has better girls (I mean better like nicer and marriage material not better looking thats a wash) but DIA has far more (because its free). There also less ladyboys on Cupid for the same reason so always ask on DIA.

        What I did is took a photo of myself from years ago from far away when I was wearing sunglasses and used that to talk to the girls months before I got here. Then I made a real account with more recent pics when I got here. I was like you wanted to see what they looked like and what they were like.

    • SouthernAdventurer says:

      Viber is your friend bud, download it! Every girl here has either it or skype almost every time. Plus your family can contact you with it for free when you get here. It works internationally 🙂 But like spill said its the crappy interface as well as the lack of computers that make them want to use other messaging.

      • kick2dante kick2dante says:

        ya as you travel around asia all you need to do is download viber line whatsapp bbm facebook skype instagram and snapchat and you will be able to contact all girls dont worry

  32. Dave C says:

    Hi Guy,s ! Am from England. Was 57 When I went to the Phil,s 6ft tall. Not bad lookingbut always dress smart and clean. The girl found me! Got approached at the bus station!!! She was going home after finishing work at her family business. One of the tallest fillys ive seen in a size 6. Beautiful , slim and well off with money. Her family own a massive import export company. Beautiful as a 10. Her family pay for everything and have even built a 4 bedroom house for us, NOW 6 years down the line at 63 have a beautiful boy of 5 years. Wife is still only 31 and lifes good. What I,m saying is that you don,t always have to go looking for girls. The right one may find you!

  33. S&W M 500 says:

    You…or anyone else come even close to my GF and I will shoot your heads off !!

    • Mikey Johnson says:

      You gotta relax.

    • thibault says:

      dont you understand? she will go to other men. why? because monogamy is a vast bullshit. stop living in a fantasy and gi e all that importance to one woman, and start fucking everything that moves. your life will be better. not all eggs in the same basket. no woman is worth going to jail. why? because she ll happily fuck everything once you re inside. and you will only if you re outside. plus, they grow old. she wont have the same value in some years. its like old cars, just find a more recent one. put that gun down, pinoy boy, and open that fly.

  34. Frank says:

    Is it illegal to offer money for sex to random women? I figure if I seen a hot little thing I could just ask if she wanted to make a few peso?

    • jspill jspill says:

      Technically all prostitution is, including ‘any act, or transaction involving the use of a person for sex’ http://www.gov.ph/2013/02/06/republic-act-no-10364/

      But I’ve never heard of what you’re describing to be an issue, not sure if a simple offer could be construed as prostitution. And all forms are widely tolerated anyway

      Then again police will simply detain you until you pay a bribe or wait ages for a trial, whether something’s illegal or not doesn’t matter in SE Asia, you don’t want to be in a cell for weeks because someone who knows some police says you did something you didn’t

      To be on the safe side just make it clear from your actions / appearance that you have money to burn, are interested in her etc. and phrase it a bit more delicately

      And be selective, if you offered money for sex to an upper class chick I wouldn’t be surprised if it was illegal on some lower level, like sexual harassment

      I’d rather ask ‘what do I have to do to get a date with you’, or ask to pay for tagalog tuition at your place then go from there, anything but a direct offer unless I could kinda tell she’d be up for it

      Filipinas can freak out if you talk to them like they’re hookers… even if they are hookers

      Doing it anonymously over an internet dating site would be better http://nomadphilippines.com/dating-sites

  35. Igor says:

    3 of 100 call you ? Stupid approach..

  36. Alex says:

    I’m having huge problems finding hot non-p4p girls in Manila.

    This site seems the most realistic of anything I’ve found on the internet – both the articles by jspill and Dante (rip lol), as well as the commenters – so I wanted to ask for any ideas.

    I’m 1 month into a 3-month stay, and I’m really coming up empty-handed. I knew coming that the rooshV forum guys’ talk about dozens of non-p4p 8s and 9s in a month, with a few 10s for good measure, was just silliness, but the reality for me so far has been worse than even my pretty low expectations.

    My target market is girls 18 to 24, thin tight bodies, with faces that are truly pretty. Quality is more important to me than quantity. I’d be much happier with a couple legit hotties than 50 average girls. Heck, at this point, I’d consider it a victory to pull one true hottie. I’ve managed to find and pull hotties in other Asian countries, but I’m getting nowhere here in PI. I’ve banged a bit in my first month in Manila, but it’s just been meh quality, and I really want to find and get better quality in my 2 remaining months in PI.

    I understand that if you’re going for different markets, Manila could be a paradise. I see that I could be banging a few new non-p4p girls every week if I had different standards and put some effort into it. 28+ Milfs are everywhere, average girls are relatively easy and your pull rate would be much higher than with average girls in your home country, and heavy-set girls (with the typical tank bodies) are throwing themselves at me so much that I think I could bang them with zero effort.

    What I’ve found:
    – There are very, very, very few hot girls (in my target market of age, looks) in malls. I’ve spent huge time in a few places: Greenbelt-Glorietta-SMMakati, Mall of Asia, Rockwell. Plus shorter time in a few other malls. Weekdays, weekends, daytime, evening time, been doing it all. I just don’t see many hotties. Even “very cute” girls are pretty rare. (Btw, fwiw, the worries above by some commenters that tips here will lead to a flood of foreign dudes invading the malls is hilariously off. I can personally confirm that in the last month, the number of non-Asian foreign men under 50 who are prowling the malls for non-p4p lays is so low compared to the number of girls that the whole topic is laughable. Even in the most foreigner-heavy areas like Greenbelt or Century City, it’s still a joke. Manila isn’t Bangkok: foreigners really stand out.)

    – Average quality of girls in Manila is really low – both bodies and faces – compared to other Asian countries. It’s happened a couple times now that a girl I think is kinda cute turns out to be a student from China or elsewhere.

    – Online dating is way worse than I’d expected based on all the positive reports I’ve seen.

    First, tardiness is a major issue; girls show up 30 min to 3 hours late. One just didn’t show up til the next day. Just based on their time issues alone, I have no idea how any of those forum-guys supposedly managed to bang 3 new girls in one day from online dating.

    But even worse is the quality. I’ve combed through FCupid, PL and DIA in detail in the last month, and based on the pics on display, there’s really not a lot of hot girls in the 18-24 range. And that’s my evaluation based on the pics which girls select themselves, which of course are the most flattering.

    Even the few girls who do seem hot, their pics are way off. It’s much worse hotness-exaggeration than other countries. I met up with two of the girls that I consider the hottest on FC in the last month, and they were utter disappointments in real life, just normal middling girls nothing like their pics (I can confirm by PM or mail or meet in person in Manila if anyone cares to know who).

    – I know someone who is connected in circles of elite, rich Filipinos. I spent some time in their groups. There was one truly hot girl there (already taken, of course), but otherwise they were just average-looks girls wearing expensive clothes.

    – I tried a few clubs (regular, non p4p clubs). I pulled from one just to prove to myself that I could do it (I put a report about it in the article about nightclubs http://nomadphilippines.com/best-manila-nightclubs). But quality of my girl was just middling, and the whole club was about the same: meh. At least at the clubs I’ve seen so far in Quezon and Makati, there really isn’t any secret hidden group of hotties. It’s all the same meh quality, with very few cuties and no hotties.

    – It sounds random, but the best place I’ve found so far for quality is Makati lunch time cafeterias where office workers grab cheap food. I’ve seen a few cuties, and I’m putting in time to see if I can come across any hotties in the lunch crowds.

    Any thoughts? I know it’s not like there’s some perfect location that’s filled with hotties all waiting to bang me the moment I show up. Nomadphilippines is very thorough; if there were some better places, I’d think jspill and Dante would have an article about it. But I thought I’d throw this up here and see what ideas everyone might have. What am I missing ? How should I change my strategy?

    • Dace says:

      The problem with manila is that a 7/10+ normal girl has a window of max 3 nights out until she gets a bf. Not enough hot girls and a lot of rich guys. Been scouting like crazy and just no quality, about from Burgos girls.

    • jspill jspill says:

      I know some guys that do well in Valkyrie and I saw quite a few hot girls there too, or Revel / Palace next door. But I’d agree most will have BFs already.

      Haven’t got round to writing about it yet but for example this quality – https://www.instagram.com/p/BUoUQpMBXur/

      Obv her good looking Pinoy BF arrived to meet her seconds after that.

      There are hot girls out in random provinces or the outskirts of Manila, but then you have to put in tons of effort travelling, or live in a boring place, or get really lucky and bump into them in Makati.

      Sounds like you have the same tastes as Asian guys, so it’ll be more competitive for you, especially Makati / the Fort. Western guys on forums often have a different definition of what hot is and they pick up girls the local guys aren’t that interested in. Different markets as you say.

      Valkyrie is 1000 pesos cover with 2 free drinks but I hear there’s some way to get on the guest list in advance and get in free. I haven’t done it yet though. Seems like it’s done through this Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Valkyrie-Club-Guestlist-Table-Rsvp-123107094368402/

      Royal is mostly ugly freelancers on weekdays, but on weekends it’s a bit better with more non P4P girls. Sometimes hot girls in the VIP area, again with guys though. Or get a good table by the dancefloor and get a bottle. I’ve pulled a couple decent girls on Friday nights.

      For example this kind of quality on a Friday night (ignore the white chicks, think they’re Russian hostesses from Horizon on Burgos actually) – https://www.instagram.com/p/BXsls3gBq1m/

      • Marco says:

        >Sounds like you have the same tastes as Asian guys, so it’ll be more competitive for you, especially Makati / the Fort. Western guys on forums often have a different definition of what hot is and they pick up girls the local guys aren’t that interested in. Different markets as you say.
        I’m curious as to what this exactly means. I’ve heard some asian guys remark that what “we” think as hot is actually not so by their standards and such.
        But then again I don’t find many asian girls attractive to begin with(i.e. the ones weebs spam around seem average at best to me) so I’m having a hard time discerning exactly which tastes are supposed to be whose.

        For instance of the girls posted on this site and reported as hotties some I found ok some I found above average some I outright thought were not aesthetically pleasing.

      • jspill jspill says:

        Light skinned, young looking, petite, thin delicate frame, refined facial features like Viet / Jap / Chinese style, innocent, coy. This kind of thing https://i.imgur.com/slCiF8S.png

        • Marco says:

          Right, that’s what westerners like right?
          What is it that locals like instead?

        • jspill jspill says:

          I meant that’s Asian tastes.

          I’m not saying it’s only Asians, those are my tastes too. But go into places where girls are paler skinned with a kinda Chinese facial look, and act more coy, e.g. Baccara in BKK, you see more Asian customers on average right?

          Go into a bar with tanned skin girls, where the facial symmetry isn’t as important, rather it’s more important that they’re flirty and have a good body, bars like Windmill in Pattaya where you can finger them, you see more westerners on average right?

          In Thai they have a word หมวย, search Google images for that. Ask Thai girls if Asian guys like that style, they’ll say yes. Ask them what they think westerners like, they’ll tell you dark skin, big boobs, and they’ll acknowledge that westerners aren’t as fussy about age. It’s a generalization but it holds some weight.

          The locals might bang any girl once, but I’m talking more about what they want as a GF. Asians are more status conscious, if a girl has a child already, is over a certain age, covered in tattoos, dark skinned, brash personality, or from a lower class, that rules her out for a lot of local guys.

          Westerners are less likely to care about all that, if the girl is nice and he gets along with her, and the sex is good, she’s in. Personality and PSE (‘porn star experience’) are more important, not skin tone, class, youth, nose shape etc.

          • Marco says:

            Thanks Jspill for the detailed, long and throughout response.
            To be frank it’s still all very nebulous to me. You make it sound like, intentionally or not, that MAINLY locals have relatively better tastes (minus the paleness,status obsession), while gaijin simply make do with what they easily get.
            Essentially similar tastes but westerners/farang being willing/able to overlook some imperfections or less than ideal characteristics (this however isn’t surprising given their objective are for the majority(obviously all) different: actual dating for locals, “fun” for sexpats).

            Cheers.

            • jspill jspill says:

              You’ll often notice when guys move here their first GF is not that good looking. We don’t have a ‘radar’ at first because we haven’t grown up around them, they all look exotic. The first one I dated was 31 (I was 23) with a kid and a bit of a moustache, you know how some Asian chicks have white hair on their top lip.

              It works the other way round too you’ll see local guys chasing after fat foreign tourist girls.

              • Marco says:

                Thanks, I guess I’ll see it for myself in a few short months.
                My only experience with Asia has been Japan and pretty much there wasn’t a great deal of variety there.
                Also the reason why I’ll be picking PH over Thailand.
                Japan while beautiful, comfy and relaxing was a shitshow as far as local opportunities to date went. While if you’re a moderately attractive guy you WILL feel like a rock star, be the center of attention, essentially get a +2 bonus on your rating, pretty much nobody speaks any decent english. I ended up spending my time with ironically a korean girl and an asian american. Approaching girls f2f is absolutely a no go as they’re shy as hell and the fact it takes them 2 minutes to process what you said and then another 2 to stutter back some incomprehensible Engrish doesn’t help.
                Then again I might have been too naive/entitled/unresourceful.

    • NormalNomad says:

      Honestly, if you’re an average looking or above (i.e. not ugly) guy who’s white and under 30, I found Bangkok to be a FAR better place to bang hotter girls than anywhere in the Philippines.

      The phils is nice for the English speaking friendliness and easy lays, but the girls are kind of fat and just generally not that beautiful looking facially speaking. It’s a shame, because they’re so sweet, but it’s a fact.

      I fucked as many hot girls (8+) in 2 weeks in BKK as I have in 4 months in the Philippines. That said, my total # of 8+ bangs in BKK was only 3, but that goes to show you how low the quality of the average girl in the phils is.

      That’s not to say Pinays are ugly—they’re just far from headturners.

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